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wynxzl

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Re: stiff compet1t1ons in business
« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2006, 08:51:59 am »
parang ako din yan ah.
i still feel safe ..hehehe
ibig sabihin di pa tayo umuunlad.
sign of success pala yun?bwahahhah 
wag naman sana kung yan ang kapalit ng success

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Re: stiff compet1t1ons in business
« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2006, 03:11:04 pm »
dalawang bagay ang sangkot bakit success.
maaring success nga dahil sa greed etc.
maaring success nga dahil masipag/mahusay etc.

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Re: stiff compet1t1ons in business
« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2006, 06:45:05 pm »
either way success pa rin un! hehehe!

ung tao, basta may pera ka they look up to you... doesnt matter how you got that money...

nakakalungkot pero yan ang katotohanan...

sa business, though ok na may moral and social responsibility ka kadalasan kinakain ka rin ng maling sistema kasi nga ang hangad na ng tao ay magkamal ng limpak limpak na sangkaperahan...

well and good kung ikaw ay isang businessman/woman na malinis ang konsensya, taas ang kamay at paa ko... sama mo na rin mga buhok ko sa ulo!  :D

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Re: stiff compet1t1ons in business
« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2006, 08:28:49 pm »
greediness..
kung yumaman ka man na may naapakan ka,madami ka ngana pera but yung happiness,peace of mind and satisfation wala naman sayo.
kaya kung ako lang papapiliin i rather stay as is than be rich pero dami kang naapakan.
bahala ng di nila ako tingalain. ;)

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Re: stiff compet1t1ons in business
« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2006, 08:49:08 pm »
may extra business moves nga yung competitors.

i was actually thinking na it can't be applied in such a small biz like ours pero it happened!  in our water refill station one of my membrane elements has a reduced production capacity of 1.2 gallons/minute at the maximum recommended pressure of 140psi (the model is expected to produce 1.6 to 2.0 GPM but decreases over time which is counter-acted by adding water pressure).  the usual solution here is instead of buying outright an element worth 20-28T a descaling solution (to get the calcium scales that clogs it) is applied to relieve it of the clogs and thus producing more at lesser pressures!

the service is usually priced at 3,500 but a large competitor's sister company (they have 20+ franchisees in iloilo) offered it to us at 1,500!  i trusted its personnel who contacted me because they were the former employees of another supplier who i have full trust.  the problem is that they lent me a temporary membrane element processing my 390 PPM (parts per ml) source to 550 PPM in the product line and 650 PPM in the reject line.  usually 1.5% of the impurities goes to the product line (390 x 1.5% = 6 PPM) and the reject line gets 98.5% of it.

i thought then and there that it could only be possible if there is preplaced impurities or even chemicals on the membrane element.  luckily we haven't sold any of our produce after replacement and we just spilled the water from the sealed products of that evening.  i also called them not to touch my membrance because i can not use theirs and swap membranes in the morning.

they claimed that they have just started descaling it (a process usually taking 3 days) so its supposed to be not affected.  but it doesnt flow even at 0.1 GPM now.  i just transferred the element at my trusted company and im just hoping that its 98.5% efficiency is not deliberately made inefficient.

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Re: stiff compet1t1ons in business
« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2006, 09:27:36 pm »
....sa business, though ok na may moral and social responsibility....

Tama ang pinakabottomline nito ay moralidad, wala kasi tayong pinagbabasehan
na universal moral standard , maaring ang pagkakilala ng isa sa tama ay mali
sa kanyang pangunawa at sa iba naman ay tama sa kanyang pangunawa. Kadalasan
personal na pagdesisyong sa sarilng kaunawaan ang pinaiiral para husgahan ang nagawa ng isa. Ngayon papasok ang impluwensya, sistema, paraan at turo sa paghubog sa pagkatao na umukit sa kanyang utak pagdating sa pagdedesisyon sa
mga bagay bagay na nakikita nya. Kaya kung papano sya pinalaki at lumaki may
epekto ito sa kanyang mga aktibidad sa pang-araw-araw na pamumuhay kasama
na yung pagkilala sa tama at mali.



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Re: stiff compet1t1ons in business
« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2006, 09:44:27 pm »
personally, naniniwala ako na ung tao lam nya what is right kaya nga lang mas pinipili nya ang mali kasi may nakukuha syang pabor o pakinabang dun... pinapapaniwala nila ang sarili nila na tama ung ginagawa nila.


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Re: stiff compet1t1ons in business
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2006, 12:08:17 pm »
rj juarez,
grabe technical pinost mo di ko ma G ang iba.heheh! basta alam ko lang sa water refilling yun.

butangera
agree with you.kahit di tama hahanap yan sila ng rason para makalusot at papaniwalain nila sarili nila na tama yun.may kilala akong ganun
yung iba naman,sasabihin lang na "well everybodys doing it,bakit di ko pwedeng gawin"

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Re: stiff compet1t1ons in business
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2006, 01:48:41 pm »
PRINSIPYO:
Well papasok parin yan sa usapin ng moralidad, kaya nga kung
papano natin sinasanay ang ating konsensya upang piliin ang
tama base sa turo ng tamang katwiran.

PAGKONDISYON SA KAISIPAN:
Yung pagjustify para makombensi ang sarili ay isang paraan
para ekondisyon ang kaisipan tungo upang ang konsensya
naman ay gawing manhid sa pakiramdam na guilty sya sa
gagawin nya. Sa katulad na paraan ang isang d sanay na
mananakbo ay siguradong mapapagod kaagad at d nya kaya
ang gayong palakasan sa pisikal. Subalit ang sinanay na mananakbo
ay siguradong kaya nyang umabot at manalo pa nga sa paligsahan.
Sapagkat sya ay sinanay ang kanyang mga pisikal nakatawan at ang isip
ay nasa kondisyon at sinanay sa sitwasyong may kinalaman sa
pagpapagod at pagbanat ng mga kalamnan.


ACTION:
Ang action ay after effect ng pagkondesyon sa kaisipan. Ito ay ang
ng post judgement effect. Kapag nakapagdesisyon na ng isa at
nakondisyon na ang kaisipan/budhi base sa kanyang kaalaman may
kinalaman sa moralidad, execution ang kasunod. Dito natin ngayon
makikita ito a pisikal na porma.

EPEKTO:
Well yung epekto sa sarili at sa iba, papano natin masasabi
na ito ay mabuti o masama? Ang pagkilala sa bunga ng aksyon ay nangangailangan na uli ng tamang kaunawaan base sa sinanay na
budhi kaya babalik uli tayo doon sa prinsipyo ang moralidad.

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Re: stiff compet1t1ons in business
« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2006, 09:11:34 pm »
yeah well said

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Re: stiff compet1t1ons in business
« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2006, 07:29:38 pm »
let me give you an update of what happened to my internet cafe price war.

i have shared that when prices were at 30/hour it dropped to 25/hour when a seemingly unexperienced competition enters and everyone follows thru.  until it dropped to 20 and then lastly to 15.  i was always last to follow when i have no recourse but to do so.  always atleast 3 months delayed.  in the same period i was studying the cost structure of the competition and read what was written in the "discipline of market leaders".  when i finally used all that i know to reduce costs and stretch gaming hours for a mind blowing price drop way below their cost structure i bombed them with a 10/hour rate!

at that pricepoint they countered me with a 10/hour rate at the end of my month long promotion period.  i gave them 3 days to test how 10/hour feels and just continued with my 20/hour.  when i was in bohol vacationing i instructed my employees to drop the price at 9/hour on a single game "warcraft III: dota".  i already prepared for all possible countermoves and they later asked me to attend a meeting to ask for a resetting of the prices.

i can see myself in them asking how could they have earned with a pricedrop.  its not just that you wanted to shock everyone with a pricedrop but you must have the necessary facilities in place to be able to afford a price war.

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Re: stiff compet1t1ons in business
« Reply #41 on: May 18, 2006, 02:01:57 am »
are you still earning with the rate you're dropping ur prices?  ???

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Re: stiff compet1t1ons in business
« Reply #42 on: May 18, 2006, 08:55:50 pm »
yes.

infact i could have a net income of 45,000 per month while they as stated could not earn anything.

14 hours average occupancy rate for a 16 store hours shop x 18 PCs x 9/hour

2268 rental revenues.

i just spend 15T to 20T per month including maintenance with all of the things i learned from studying their cost structures.

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Re: stiff compet1t1ons in business
« Reply #43 on: May 18, 2006, 09:04:00 pm »
yes.

infact i could have a net income of 45,000 per month while they as stated could not earn anything.

14 hours average occupancy rate for a 16 store hours shop x 18 PCs x 9/hour

2268 rental revenues.

i just spend 15T to 20T per month including maintenance with all of the things i learned from studying their cost structures.
for a start up,  will 6 computers do? including server?
assuming your figures above, how much is the net income?

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Re: stiff compet1t1ons in business
« Reply #44 on: May 18, 2006, 09:19:15 pm »
yes.

infact i could have a net income of 45,000 per month while they as stated could not earn anything.

14 hours average occupancy rate for a 16 store hours shop x 18 PCs x 9/hour

2268 rental revenues.

i just spend 15T to 20T per month including maintenance with all of the things i learned from studying their cost structures.

that's because u eat up a big % of market share already. kumbaga may name ka na kasi kaya pala you can do that. at kaya din hinde ka matapatan ng mga competitors mo. at marami ka nang computers kasi. so kung merong barkada dyan na gustong maglaro, pwede silang pumunta sau kasi u can accomodate them.

what can i say? you're very good!  :)

 

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